In Acts 17:11, the Bereans are praised for comparing everything Paul said to Scripture to see if it was true. Remember, the Bible says our hearts are deceitful (Jeremiah 17:9), so we cant trust our feelings unless they line up with, and are based on, the truth of Gods word. Also your references in Matthew do not apply, and sadly this out of context mess gets regurgitated as much, if not more so, as Matthew 7, and the whole Do not ever judge crowd. Parables arent the same thing as eisegesis (or Jesus would have been handling Scripture improperly, Himself), and its easy to see this by reading through (in context) several of Jesus parables. I'll start.I'll share with you 2 Scriptures that have given me soooo much comfort and encouragement these past few days and then I'll anxiously wait for you to share what Scripture(s) you have been meditating on lately, received a ton of comfort and encouragement from and/or used to encourage someone else. Jakes daughter), Priscilla Shirers promo page at Hillsong, Priscilla Shirer, featured speaker at Hillsongs 2016 Colour ConferencewithBrian Houston, Bobbie Houston, andChristine Caine. Here is a partial list of things that the Bible does not answer definitively: 1. Not from Scripture. But we hope that as your faith increases, our area of influence among you will greatly increase as well, 16 so that we can preach the gospel in the regions beyond you. We shouldnt believe just whatever we see on the internet. When I participated in Priscillas DVD studyHe Speaks to Meseveral years ago, I found her to be an engaging writer, a witty storyteller, and charismatic speaker. This is a promotional clip not a scriptural teaching. I have to admit that I do not know the entire Biblical passage on this, In keeping with the spirit of Titus 3:10-11, this is your second warning (the first is in the Welcome tab, which youve obviously already read) I will not engage in debate about biblical truth and I will not publish comments or respond to e-mails/messages attempting to engage me in debate. Therefore, it is my recommendation that women not follow, support, or receive teaching from Priscilla Shirer or Going Beyond Ministries at this time. - Femina Sola Gratia Is she a false teacher? However, a teenager pointed out to me that Abraham was called . Let's not go beyond what the Lord says through His Word. Next, as I hope you would agree, Scripture is our final authority as Christians. How is this different? read more, Scripture: If you need more information, Id suggest BereanResearch.org, FightingForTheFaith.com, CARM.org, GTY.org, and Apprising.org. And then help teach it to other women. and before she began she said that she was there under the guidance of her pastor and that if men were present, they should understand that her teachings were meant for women. Jesus had employed many graphic analogies using common things that would be familiar to everyone (https://www.gotquestions.org/Jesus-parables.html). Here they are promoting silence. Otherwise, it appears this is a form of gossip. Church Of God, CARE MINISTRY WITH THE MESSAGE OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST IS IMPORTANT, CALLED TO CARE (Also, lets please try to keep things friendly and polite, OK?). These are sources Im familiar with and consider doctrinally sound, but if someone digs up an article one of them wrote from ten years ago that says something biblically askew, I obviously do not endorse that.) A NIGHTMARE ON DESERT STREET! For such persons do not serve our Lord Christ, but their own appetites, and by smooth talk and flattery they deceive the hearts of the naive. Like you, I also dont understand why believers behave the way they do- taking to task those who stand firmly upon the truth of Gods word instead of rebuking and rejecting false teachers such as Priscilla Shirer, when this is so clearly what Scripture says to do. but i will look to the word of God , and i will talk to my pastor. ), placing herself into scripture and thereby improperly luring women to God through personal experiences of Jesus instead of purely reading the Word of God. I am gonna pray for you. Furthermore, if this is a disingenuous comment/questions, you are being deceitful and displaying ungodly character and you need to repent. If I might, it would be my joy to help you out with this. If a big guy writes against a LifeWay person, he might not get anymore invitations. Id recommend starting with Rock Your Role FAQs #11, then moving on to Jill in the Pulpit. #4a I see where you noted that Priscilla uses poor hermeneutics when handling Gods word. As a sister in Christ, I believe we should be happy for their success and teaching us the Word of God. 7,400,364 journeys have been made to this site. Together with her husband, Jerry, she heads up Going Beyond Ministries. All comments are handled manually, and I do not publish comments which promote false doctrine. #4b believers from different denominations Priscilla references who rattled her theological box may have been part of Priscillas initial exposure to false Word of Faith teaching and false teachers such as the aforementioned Meyer, Caine and Osteens. Since you havent had a chance to question Priscilla about what she was talking about here (or maybe it was revealed in this Bible study? If not, she does not know the Bible well enough to be teaching (James 3:1). Should she repent in these areas in which she has broken Scripture and align herself with biblical principles, she would have no bigger fan than I, and I would rejoice to be able to point Christian women to her as a doctrinally sound resource. They start, not with a biblical truth but with a story or life experience, and then they build doctrine and beliefs out of that experience. None. In today's edition of The Mailbag: Is it OK for Christian Women to Wear Bikinis? Though the Bible allowed provisions for indentured servitude, which was a humane alternative to such harsh punishments for failure to pay one's debts, such as d 2And Abraham said unto his eldest servant of his house, that ruled over all that he had, Put, I pray thee, thy hand under my thigh: He wants you to learn good theology and sound doctrine. This article is more along the lines of a court case where youre on the jury and Im showing you the evidence of Priscilla Shirer breaking the law. Let's find out as we begin this study in discernment, Choose What Is Right. Mark 8:25 Verse Concepts Or will we apply extra effort and go beyond our duty? Warning people away from false teaching is not gossip. She begins most lessons with a story or personal experience, uses these stories to formulate her own spiritual principles, and then adds in a smattering of Bible verses (often out of context) to support her ideas. Click here I would suggest beginning with the article entitled Jill in the Pulpit (youll have to scroll down a bit to get to it). No mention of sitting in silence or listening here nor in any of the other passages in which the Bible teaches about prayer. Priscilla often uses poor hermeneutics when handling Gods word. My wife is grateful because of the resources, and because of what she said is best described as like mindedness,(She is sitting beside me by the way!) http://lisaharper.net/calendarevents/. I have to do more research on how these powerhouse preachers are false teachers), teaching unbiblical prayer practices (I cant find where she teaches women about contemplative prayer~ but Im still lookin! (Edited to add- After I posted this comment, I noticed your comment was addressed to Seth Dunn, not to me. John says virtually the same thing, and adds that to partner with false teachers is to take part in their wicked works. You need milk, not solid food, for everyone who lives on milk is unskilled in the word of righteousness, since he is a child. One thats not a promotional tape? She did indeed build the doctrine of theres only going to be a handful of people experiencing what weve learned on the pew on her eisegetical handling of Scripture as I explained in that section. Part 11 - Matthew 9:32-38 - THAT'S WHEN MIRACLES HAPPEN! Weve got to act on what the Bible says, not our own opinions. 15 Neither do we boast beyond our limits in the labors of others. No-one is beyond hope. That is not what the Bible says that preachers and teachers are to do. rather than on the Bible. Going Beyond Obedience. I totally disagree with you on this. But growth to spiritual maturity through the study of Gods word and faithful obedience to Him isnt what Priscilla is offering through this study. The word astonished means to be struck with amazement. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil. , an unbiblical practice sometimes called narcissistic. I CANT FIGURE THIS ONE OUT! These are just a few of the dozens of examples available on YouTube and elsewhere of Priscilla Shirer preaching to men. Priscilla has also admitted in her book Discerning the Voice of God, p.39, that she reads herself into Scripture, an unbiblical practice sometimes called narcissistic eisegesis or narcigesis. Dear Michelle, But Jesus said unto them, They need not The False Teaching of Priscilla Shirer on the Here I Stand Theology Podcast, Is Priscilla Shirer a Sound Exegete? I have no doubt that others have confronted her about these things. Our ladies Bible study is just about to start a Priscilla Shirer study and I was doing some research on Priscilla and found your blog (whew! Its a complete waste of time. http://the-end-time.blogspot.com/2012/10/introducing-priscilla-shirer-and-jesus.html. INTRODUCTION: Armor of God Workbook with Video Access After a bit of research on Ms. Shirer, Im determined that shes one to beware of. 3And I will make thee swear by Heres why. I also have a few tape recording of her Bible Studies that were done either in her Sunday School or her Tuesday Bible Study Meetings where she actually dismisses men from the room when she was at a church in Houston. I can tell that just from your comment. The original promo video I used for this article has been deleted, {so I replaced it with the one above}, but in the original video, Priscilla goes on to say) Thats one in a million. If youre in need of suggestions of doctrinally sound blogs for women, go to the top of this page and click on Recommended Bible Teachers. Ive got two lists of 10 up there, and another one coming in the near future. Exegesis is taking a passage of Scripture in context, and leading out of it- teaching what the passage means. THE CALL? But read her He Speaks to Me Bible study for yourself if you want to assess. Enter your email address to subscribe to this blog and receive notifications of new posts by email. Our Ladies Bible Study started a new season on January 5 with Priscilla Shires Armor of God. And besides all these big names, arent just claiming to over see a church, they are writing New York best sellers, etc. #4a- Unfortunately, most people do read themselves into Scripture (largely due to being taught that way by false teachers such as the aforementioned and many others), but that doesnt mean its the correct way to study Scripture. Its not about doing good works to get myself into heaven, like going to church every Yes, thats basically the requirement for salvation, but Christians are required to obey ALL of Gods instructions, including the ones about not joining with people who call themselves Christians yet hold to teachings and beliefs that conflict with Scripture. The MEGA Live Event July 23rd, 2021 Tulips & Honey. Where does Priscilla get the idea that God is supposed to be speaking in these ways? Priscilla partners and associates with false teachers such as Joyce Meyer, Christine Caine,Joel and Victoria Osteen, Beth Moore, and T.D. Thats not an accusation, its a statement of fact. CARM has done articles on Beth Moore, Joyce Meyer, and some other well-known false teachers, which Ive linked to in other articles. She goes beyond what is written in teaching men, in partnering with false teachers, in teaching unbiblical prayer practices, and in using improper hermeneutics. read more, Scripture: How does God regard false teachers, and how are we to deal with them in our personal lives and families, and as the church? Basic is enough for brand new believers (and again, what Beth and Priscilla teach is not basic, its false doctrine). We are to go beyond encouragement. Bible Study Workbooks Priscilla's studies help believers to know the truths of Scripture intellectually and encourage them to experience these truths practically by the power of the Holy Spirit. God bless you, and keep up the good work sister! As Joshua was facing the end of his life, he challenged the people to chose, the choice they would make would define them as a people. Defining Moment; Joshua 24 Preached at Midway Community Church June 11, 2000; Elizabeth. She does. There is no way to be saved by putting your faith in a false christ. Astonished Beyond Measure Mark 7:31-37. #2- There are a number of resources on false teachers under the Popular False Teachers tab at the top of this page. September 1, 2002 After the service, people went by the preacher, tired and exhausted. Scripture: Philippians 3:12-16 John Huffman Introduction I don't know if you are like me, but I imagine you are. We cannot live without fear. It would definitely be interesting to hear his perspective. Thank you so much for your consideration, Verse Concepts. True, and there are many problems with Beth Moore as well. Now, brothers and sisters, I have applied these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, so that you may learn from us the meaning of the saying, "Do not go beyond what is written." Then you will not be puffed up in being a follower of one of us over against the other. And how their lives could be changed, too. Priscilla Shirer: Living Your Life For Christ (Full Teaching) | Praise on TBN (February 18, 2021) Priscilla speaks at Christine Caines Propel Womens Conference. I didnt know I was reading and studying scripture wrong. Personal experiences can be evidence of the truth of rightly handled and understood Scripture, but not vice versa. Copyright 2003-2023 | Outreach, Inc., All rights reserved. I wont be publishing comments or answering emails that are answered by this article. Heres just one example of Priscilla preaching to men: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fIzWbXvfps. Bushnell Assembly of God That, plus being a faithful member of a doctrinally sound church and being taught the Word every week is the best way to learn the truth of Scripture and grow in Christ. Grr! I also have a few tape recording of her Bible Studies that were done either in her Sunday School or her Tuesday Bible Study Meetings where she actually dismisses men from the room when she was at a church in Houston. 52-week preaching calendar to help you plan your sermons, Customizable sermon manuscripts for verse-by-verse preaching, Preach with creativity and impact throughout the year, [NEW YEAR] 4-Week Series to kick off 2023, [PRODUCTIVITY] Fulfill your full potential, [FOUNDATIONS] Getting back to what matters most. #4b- This is a promotional clip not a scriptural teaching. No, this is a promotional clip in which Priscilla not only makes several incorrect biblical assertions, she uses those incorrect assertions as the foundation of this Bible study she has written. To think one can just enter there work into the public domain without criticism, is simply ludicrous! There are two sources for fear: when we are caught up in something we did not count on, and when we are not in control. #1 You have noted that Priscilla preaches to and instructs men in the Scriptures but I cant find the link. You are very kind and encouraging :0). on her, one of them probably will. I think I dont think I feel If youre a Christian, what you think, feel, believe, say, and do is supposed to be governed by Scripture. Steven Furtick is the pastor of Lysa TerKeurst, and he is on Oprahs Super Soul 100 list. TEXT: Heres why: 1. Amber, you seem like a very dear sister, and I love you. You may have loved her in War Room and want to buy her books. Olga Souders As I mentioned in my comment, I was here with my wife, completely of my own volition, in no way did Michelle do anything unbiblical. Heres an example of Priscilla preaching to men and yoking with a false teacher as she preaches the Sunday sermon at Joel Osteens Lakewood Church: Priscilla teaches Christians to listen for Gods voice in an unbiblical form of prayer called contemplative prayer. read more, Scripture: Esther 4:16 fasting. I KNOW this original post is over a year old. Yes, its a big deal and, yes, I will continue to teach and write about it. What is certain is that Paul, in saying, "do not go beyond what is written," was not teaching sola scriptura. Paul refuted public false teaching publicly many times. This article is kept continuously updated as needed. Romans 16:17-18 tells us were to mark false teachers and avoid them. Pastor Chris Rosebrough explains why Priscillas twisting of John 10 to mean that we can hear God speak to us is unbiblical. There is only ONE requirement for salvation, and that is accepting that Jesus Christs blood took the place of our sin, recognize our sin and confess it, believe that Jesus is Gods son. Jesus taught us the way He wanted us to pray. When this is done, I will go to the king, even though it is against the law. It will be called the good shepherd calls. "Those from among you will rebuild the ancient ruins; You will raise up the age-old foundations; And you will be called the repairer of the breach, The restorer of the streets in which to dwell. Be a Christian Who Cares This is not a new idea. Matthew 6:9-13. Yes, Im afraid thats exactly whats happening. Before you answer No too quickly, consider that we cannot live without fear. I dont follow TGC any more. Ann Voskamp, Beth Moore, Jen Hatmaker, Jennie Allen, From: Choose What is Right: A Study in Discernment- Lesson 1: Introduction. 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